Originally Posted by stoney bones
ok high horse honcho, settle down. you are reading a little too far into what I wrote. I said I wouldn't trust it with MY LIFE.
I have used them and watched them fail.
Try dragging it through the mud or submerging it in water then firing it. At the range they may work just fine, but in real life situations you will see the difference between your kel tec and another combat proven firearm.
I am not saying they don't have there place. But, they are at the price point they are at for a reason.
The last self defense situation you were in, how did you get so muddy? When you went under water did all the mud wash off?
No seriously we are taking about an EDC type gun. Where the fukc does the combat shit come from? This isn't about a new side arm for seal team six. If you carry and are regularly in situation where your firearm with be trashed with mud and submerged in water, well you sir are doing it wrong.