Originally Posted by opie
I think I can sum up my entire stance by addressing the points above...
I do not need God to practice, enjoy, espouse any of the traits listed above. I do not believe it is because of or in spite of God I either would or would not exhibit any of the above traits. I attribute them to having a deep respect for others personal space, property and opinions.
Perhaps at times I, like most others, will deviate from one or more at any given time based on immediate environment, or sin if you wish to call it that. But I am free and able to make amends for my wrongdoing and move on. Much like a religious person would then pray when they have sinned, I would apologize and make my wrong as close to right as possible.
No need to reply... I'm just arguing to argue. I respect any sane persons decision to believe in what they believe and as long as they live their life with respect of others, I don't care what the basis of that respect is.
I hope you don't mind if I do reply anyways.
Remember I'm not trying to come off judgemental or mean but, according to what I believe, You actually do need God for those traits. He's given them to you. They are traits that his children inherited from him.
If heaven is where God resides then it can only be fair to say that hell is a place that lacks God, and His characteristics.
It's not bad, at all, to be good or moral. It's bad, IMO, to think that your morals will get you into heaven or God will think you've done enough. Then we're back at the Kindergartner's drawing.
Even if God isn't the personification of the Christian Diety do you really think our standards will meet his (or it's or hers)?
That being said, I believe that it's not up to me to convince you that you need a relationship with God. Only God can spark that. I hope he does. It sounds like you are a great guy that has an amazing heart for people. That, too, is a gift from God. Good luck, and I'll be praying for you.