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Old September 30th, 2011, 02:48 PM   #72
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So now it is the government’s responsibility to teach basic morality to our children?
Absolutely not. There is nothing in what I typed that suggested anything of the sort. I am talking about History NOT being taught in the public schools. Actual American History. Not some watered down PC version of what some Harvard scholar thinks happened.

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What about parents’ responsibility to raise a decent, productive citizen?
I believe this is entirely the parents responsibility. We have a large number of parents failing to do their job.

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From the article referenced above: “Managerial self-dealing was a thing of the past…” Well its back with a vengeance! The moral “code” got kicked to the curb sometime in the 70s when the “greed is good” era started. Now it is all about what everyone can get for themselves without any concern whether it is good for the company, its employees or the nation as a whole. Seems people don’t even consider whether a choice is good for themselves in the long run, let alone give the slightest thought about how it affects others. That greed and selfishness is not limited to any one group, it is pervasive at all levels in American society. Please explain to me how that is all the government’s fault.
First, I agree with the article. We have become a very materialistic society.

Second, Government creates and fosters the environment where people should, dont, need to feel responsible for the decisions they make by promising to cure all their ills because of the big, bad, evil, white rich guy. The entire Mortgage deal is the best, most recent example I can put forth. In short, Government forced banks to write mortgages to low income folks under the threat of dropping their FDIC insurance and when they do that, and the borrowers start defaulting on their notes, the fed jumps back in and forces the banks to re-write the notes AND offers assistance to the folks that, had the public education system not failed them, been able to look at the terms and loan/value/income ratio and said we cant afford this.

If I lost my job right now, I could enjoy the same standard of living for 99 weeks off the backs of the taxpayers. My health and medication needs would be covered. Where is my motivation to work when the Government promises I wont need to cut back at all?

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The point being that business and government are run by people. It is individual people who make the decisions and it is each individual’s moral compass which guides their decision making. For some time now society’s moral compass has been set to greed and personal enrichment before all else. Imho that is the root cause of how we got where we are today and little will change until that basic underlying morality changes.
You will not get argument from me on this point. But again I refer you back to the education system. If kids were being taught how and why the US came about and the wars we have fought internally to get to where we are, I feel it would help. My wife and I continue our kids education at home with actual American history, not from public education text books.

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So you really believe the current situation is all because of welfare run amuck?
No, but I see you assumed I did and went ahead below...

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Ok, take the small town folks whose major manufacturing facility was shut down and sent to Brazil. Not long before the decision to shut it down the company expanded that small plant and invested probably half a mil in just filtration equipment alone (I did the startup). Good hard working people doing their jobs until some new female financial exec with all the great management ideas taught in the great schools made a decision based on profit. Lives changed forever, our country weakened that little bit more by the loss of yet more manufacturing jobs. I’m guessing the executives and BOD got a little richer when their stock options went up in value in the short term….but what is the long term cost? Repeat this story over and over and over again throughout our country. I have seen it time and time again in the round cutting tool industry. So now explain to those people who invested blood and sweat into their company only to have their jobs yanked out from under them, and worse yet, those jobs will never return so now their kids cannot have the opportunities they did, please explain how welfare took their jobs. My dad said business in this country really changed when the financial guys started running the show. He was an executive vice president at a large corporation and had a front row seat to the transformation. He retired in the mid 80’s, disgusted with how the company was being run.
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Should welfare be revamped, probably. Is it the root of our society's moral decay, doubtful. It is more likely the decay started at the top decades ago and has trickled down.
The decay, IMO started with T. Roosevelt.
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