alrighty, there are some people (myself included) who will be staying at the super 8 on 4 mile. (my gf will only camp in the summer lol) so the folks that want to camp, i'll talk to rybo and hdben, and see if we will just meet at a staging area (in jan we all met sat morning at the kmart), or if there is another way they want to do this. i was told that super 8 is $66 a night, i havent talked to the hotel yet. will keep updating, hope to see u all up there!!