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Old May 19th, 2010, 08:30 PM   #11
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What punishment do you suggest is put on the businessman for the illegal comming into the country, because that is in effect what your suggesting. Illegals are breaking the law weather they are working or not, and punishing an employer because he has an employee thats breaking the law makes no sense.
How do you punish the employer that has recieved proper paper work from an illegal, I guess the employer will now be responsible for policing all documents... That should be a gas especially when an employer starts digging into your background. How much power do you give the employer relative to looking into somebodys background.
If you allow them to look into your illegal residence status then is the employer going to be allowed to look into other areas of your life in which you may be conducting illegal activitys, and why not.


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So Jose Illegal has committed tax and welfare fraud, made possible by an American construction company, which has violated employment and tax law. And yet many conservatives seem to think the solution is to round up the ones here and send them back and build walls in the desert to try to keep them out.

We need to step back and look at why this is happening. Quite simply, the reason people typically break laws is because in their minds the rewards outweigh the risks. For “Jose Illegal” The only real risk is dying trying to get here. If he gets caught the worst thing that can happen is that he gets thrown in prison for a few years and gets sent back home no worse off than when he came here. The reward is that he provides for his family and maybe gives them a chance at a decent future. As much as some of you seem to think that hunting illegals for sport would be a good idea you have to know that that will never happen.

But about the person that hires “Jose Illegal”? The reward for hiring illegal workers is obvious, cheap labor. If that reward outweighs whatever risks he takes in doing so then this is where the problem lies. I don’t know if it’s more of a matter of a lower likelihood of getting caught, a mild punishment if he does get caught, or a combination of the two. Until this is addressed all the other measures to keep the illegals out and round up the ones here is an exercise in futility.



Fact is that each of these ideas by themselves are only half of the solution.

There needs to be some equity in the punishment here. Jose needs to have the hammer dropped on him. But so does the employer that pays or hires Jose.

A crafty Jose I am quite sure can craft some pretty good docs and fool many honest employers. But there are also plenty of employers that will look at an obviously forged document and look the other way because that will give them a short term advantage over their competition... Doesn't capitalism reward those that find advantage in the market... Even if taking that advantage is illegal. Some times there are benefits to breaking the law. These benefits need to be removed from both Jose and the employer.


We do need comprehensive immigration reform in this country. It needs to be complete and at many levels. From better fences and patrols in the desert to better enforcement at the employer level.

Both will have to give to make it work...
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