is it the only way?

fordbuff8404 · February 27th, 2007, 09:23 PM

is it the only way to get a decent lift to do a solid axle swap? I'm looking to fit 33" on it (94 tracker), and the only feed back i have gotten was to swap out all axles with sami, or toyota's. please let me know if there is a way to keep the originals or if it is worht the time and effort.

MuddyPaws · February 27th, 2007, 09:52 PM

SOmething like 1500 for a 6 inch lift I think. Where did I see that?

MuddyPaws · February 27th, 2007, 09:54 PM

MuddyPaws · February 27th, 2007, 09:58 PM

Rock Steady makes a 4.5 inch kit for 739

Toivo · February 27th, 2007, 10:00 PM

Id do an SAS....cheaper in the long run.

ouchman · February 27th, 2007, 10:04 PM

try calmini http://www.bgclubofbakersfield.arriv...ck_tracker.htm

MuddyPaws · February 27th, 2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by XJToivo

Id do an SAS....cheaper in the long run.

ahhh...ok sure. You know not of what you speak of young Skywalker.

MuddyPaws · February 27th, 2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ouchman

try calmini http://www.bgclubofbakersfield.arriv...ck_tracker.htm

yup...1000 bucks

hman1991 · February 27th, 2007, 11:11 PM

http://www.boondoxmotorsports.com
check them out. but yeh id straight axil. but the ifs lift from boondox is nice.

swampjeep · February 28th, 2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MuddyPaws

ahhh...ok sure. You know not of what you speak of young Skywalker.

talked with Jim Mazolla a short while back, he twisted the rear shafts on the stock axle with 31's, and the front didn't fair very well either if I remember correctly, I believe that's why his current rig is running straight axles.
It seems to me doing a SAS the cheap way (using sami axle and leaf springs) would be cheaper then the lifts being quoted here...

I know I'm fairly new to the zuk seen too, so I think what Josh (and me) needs is why ar why not to do certain things.

so MuddyPaws, why do you say he knows not what he speaks of?

hman1991 · February 28th, 2007, 10:40 AM

everybody is a specialist lol. prety much boild down to what you want and what you can do. puting a sammy straight axil is not gonna be any stronger than what you have. it will lift it but then you still have to adress the rear. als depends what ou are using it for. i beat mine bad with just some coil spacers and 31's. you could run spacers and body lift. there is a good link on zuwharrie. what hits and what fits.
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=18791.0
and a link showing straight axil conversion
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=24216.0
you can just check out the whole forum. it is were i usually go for answers. guys r very informative and they have a tracker or ifs vehicle specific forum.
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?P=4...54789615b5517&

MuddyPaws · February 28th, 2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by swampjeep

so MuddyPaws, why do you say he knows not what he speaks of?

First because he has never done any swaps...ever...on anything.

You need to address the steering issues...the box gets replaced and new tie rods and all that. Then there is the brake work that has to be converted. Don't foget about fabbing up the shock mounts and what not...and buying the shocks.

Then you have to adapt the steering lines to fit the new box installed. And adapt the steering shaft to mate to the new box.

Going to have to do something with the driveshafts...even the 3 inch lifts need some kind of spacer or adapter...dunno what it does but you'll have to mod the shafts to work with the new axle flanges.

That's not including finding and buying the sami axles, leafs, u-bolts, and plates. I would guess that if you got a set of axles from a bone yard, they would probably need all new brakes put on them...so more money.

Then the metal you will need to weld in to make the spring mounts and front crossmember. Bolts, nuts, bushings, and shackels.

All the little things that it seems people don't think about when doing something like this. It's not that it can't be done...but simply saying it's cheaper is, IMHO, incorrect. If you were very thrifty, and could wait till the right deal came along for this or that part, then maybe. But that isn't reality for most.

It's sorta like the guys that say it's cheaper to go SOA on a Yj then lift it 4 inches. Not if it's done right, safe and road worthy. Hell, the SYE and driveshaft is almost the cost of a 4 inch kit.

Haggar · February 28th, 2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MuddyPaws

Dee Dee Dee.

I just can't take you seriously with those springs under them axles. :tonka:

Its all relative to what you want. I can't see any component of an IFS tracker standing up to 33s over time. Remember that its not just axle shaft and ring gear strength, but ball joints, steering linkages, etc, that get pounded.

If you have any fabrication skills, I'd definetely go solid axle up front. You'll want to shove that axle forward 2-3 inches for more wheelbase and better clearance at the firewall anyway.

But what do I know, I only spent $300 on my entire SOA suspension on my truck.

swampjeep · February 28th, 2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Haggar

But what do I know, I only spent $300 on my entire SOA suspension on my truck.

then you obviously don't know what you're doing, you're unsafe, and unroad-worthy...

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Originally Posted by MuddyPaws

First because he has never done any swaps...ever...on anything.

this said, I agree with much of what you've said, but still don't see where just spending more money on an IFS lift to fit 33's would be that much different, safer, or benifical to someone whao has no experience...

Quagmire · February 28th, 2007, 12:37 PM

paging 95 GEO

Toivo · February 28th, 2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MuddyPaws

First because he has never done any swaps...ever...on anything.

.

SHUT!

As far as you know anyways

Starting my D44s and non flipped D300 swap over spring break, as well as plating the unibody rails and long arm build.

Back to topic, swampy is right. so am I, yes, SAS might cost more IN THE START...but after you burn up a couple diffs, snap some CV shafts and generally break all the IFS crap, what costs more then.

Swaps don't have to be made with 100% new parts, you can scavenge (like I do) and find some very workable axles and a suspension for half the cost of the IFS lift. Just some welding and figuring things out, and then wheel it open diffs. Later on down the road you don't have shit IFS, and can install lockers, SYE's, gears etc.

Skywalker what?? Yoda OUT!

swampjeep · February 28th, 2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XJToivo

SHUT!
Back to topic, swampy is right.

the force is strong in this one...

:tonka:

Haggar · February 28th, 2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

paging 95 GEO

Or his dad, who Swampjeep already referenced. I think he had ~9" lift running 31" skinny swampers up fron and 31" goodyear terra tires out back. Notice now he's running a different tracker with solid axles.

A bit depends on what you are trying to do with it. To make a capable all around trail rig(and I think a lightweight tracker on 33s, especially swampers, is just as capable as a Jeep on 35-36s), then any option you have is a bit of work.

Either you do a soild axle swap, or you big IFS lift + body lift, which won't perform as well as a solid axle in most cases.

The bigger you go with tires, and the harder the trails you run, you usually want to start pushing the wheelbase a little longer, too.

What side is the diff on those.... passenger side?

MuddyPaws · February 28th, 2007, 01:34 PM

I'm not gonna quote a bunch of shit and go point for point....but Again, it depends on what you are going to do with it. Not everyone is going to need the stongest axles on the planet. Not everyone needs to get 1000 on the RTI. Lots on here have never done anything harder then Grayling and they are happy doing it. Gezus Christ, not every build or lift has to be the most hard core you can build.

Haggar, 300 gets a SYE on a jeep.

John...whatever, we'll see if it ever gets done. My wife has more wheel time in 4x4 then you. And i'm sure you have burned a few diifs, and snapped plenty of 4x4 cv joints and destroyed plenty of IFS 4x4 stuff in your...what...3 or 4 years of driving? :tonka:

The question was not what is better, or what is stronger. He asked about options and they are out there. Not everyone has the fab skills to pull this off. Not everyone has the engineering mind to figure the things that pop up on a swap out. Not everyone has the time to go about a swap like this. Not everyone can afford to have a rig that can be down for weeks at a time.

MuddyPaws · February 28th, 2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Haggar

Or his dad, who Swampjeep already referenced. I think he had ~9" lift running 31" skinny swampers up fron and 31" goodyear terra tires out back. Notice now he's running a different tracker with solid axles.

What side is the diff on those.... passenger side?

Yea, he twisted but not broke the shaft with some really non-standard mud tires.

I take it you have seen that thing? It was crazy looking.

He also built that thing to run some hard core shit....not the normal wheeling you see here in michigan.

Diff is on the pass side.

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