The Whole Illegals/amnesty thing

[Sandals]

So they want to grant all of the people here illegally Amnesty.

Why Does some Government officials get to decide this?
i think something as damning and widely spread, that will have a huge effect on the citizens of this country needs to pe put on a Ballot.
At least that way, all of us Law-abiding, Tax-paying citizens that they are leaching off of get a say in the matter.

[deuce228]

Ya put this on a ballot.............:miff:

Problem with doing that is there are more minorities that would support this than not.

[ckupq]

Originally Posted by Sandals

So they want to grant all of the people here illegally Amnesty.

Why Does some Government officials get to decide this?
i think something as damning and widely spread, that will have a huge effect on the citizens of this country needs to pe put on a Ballot.
At least that way, all of us Law-abiding, Tax-paying citizens that they are leaching off of get a say in the matter.

because 9 times out of 10 the tax-paying, law abiding citizens would probably react in the worst way do something to fukc up our economy.

Then they would blame it on Bush.

[Infinite_Wisdumb]

Are illegal aliens even registered to vote?

[Stan]

Originally Posted by Infinite_Wisdumb

Are illegal aliens even registered to vote?

Only in democratic states.

[jamiesann]

this is worse than affirmitive action, atleast that is direct at real american here legally. I dont know what we could could possibly gain from giving them amnesty. If anything they should introduce a bill to forcibly deport ANY illegal who commits any crime, is pulled over for anything, you just get cuffed, stuffed and we fed ex you ass to mexico city (along with id tats mentioned in another post). We round up a few hundred thousand illegals every year, and tax about 65% any western union payments going to latin america. We scan all mail for cash and make a law making it illegal to mail cash.

That in addition to my ideas of penalizing the employers of illegals will stem the flow, if there is no opportunity here. Its really really really fucked up that illegals have more opportunity here than they do in their native country. THATS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TAKE AWAY ANY FORM OF OPPORTUNITY, not entice them to come in droves so they can get amnesty.

I am really starting to loath every level and every representive of our government. This is our economy, our tax dollars pay for its output of wealth to be enjoyed SOLELY BY natural born americans and legal immigrants. Seems everyone is in a race to court the illegals or be seen by the legal hispanic community as "illegal friendly" or "soft on illegals", literally they will give away the country to be granted the hispanic vote for the foreseable future.

Every illegal is nothing more than a dirty rotten thief. Hope they all rot in hell.

I wish since they are "sooooooo hard working and determined to better themselves" they would channel some of that initiative to improving their own country instead of slapping me in the face by protesting here. Fawking cowards wont do anything disruptive in their homelands, but feel free to come here and ask for the world. I dont want people like that to be able to call themselves americans EVER!!

[Sveen]

They get the say cause "we" elected all the house and senate reps. You voted them into the office based on their character and for what they stood for, now they represent our ideals. All fair and square :tonka:

[DuffMan]

If I hear the whole "they do jobs Americans don't want or won't do" rationalization again, I'm going to scream.

For example, non-Mexicans are being run out of the U>S. meat packing business. Across much of the U.S. meat-packing is a spanish-speaking job. There were ads a few months ago in the Toledo paper calling for management and supervision for a newly-constructed meat processing plant in central OH. The job requirements included "ability to read, write, and speak fluent, unaccented spanish". WTF? this is OHIO people... See the nugget below:

"The meat packers are confirming what we know," says University of Maryland economics professor Peter Morici, "and that is that this large group of illegal aliens in the United States is lowering the wage rate of semiskilled workers, people who are high school dropouts or high school graduates with minimal training."

In fact, a meat-packing job paid $19 an hour in 1980, but today that same job pays closer to $9 an hour, according to the Labor Department. That's entirely consistent with what we've been reporting -- that illegal aliens depress wages for U.S. workers by as much as $200 billion a year in addition to placing a tremendous burden on hospitals, schools and other social services.

[jamiesann]

Yep I agree duffman.

I dont belive for one second there is a single job Americans’ wont do. You just have to raise the wages till someone bites. Its called competition, there is competition (and there should be) for american workers in america. TENS OF millions of americans would do some really skummy dangerous to their long term health and just plain terible job if they could double their wages. Many would do darn near anything legal to buy their own house and send their kids to a good school. That americans jsut wont do certain jobs is a flat out lie. LIE!!!

If I hear one more fucking rancher who thinks his grandpa started a ranch and he is just guaranteed / entitled to: thankful workers, who work for peanuts I am going to flip out and shootout my TV screen. NO BUSINESS IS GUARANTEED. Close your business or hire legit real documented guest workers, pay them a check, with hold taxes, and contribute to society. THE PEOPLE DECIDE WHAT THEY WILL WORK FOR!!!! NOT THE BUSINESS!! THESE GOD DAMED RANCHERS THINK HE DECIDES WHAT HE WANTS TO PAY, THEN ITS NOT REALISTIC, SO HE HAS CARTE BLANCH TO FILL THE POSITION ANY MEANS NECESSARY. fuck that!!!

These shady businessmen are not much better than drug dealers in my opinion. atleast drug dealers are selling something people are willing to pay for. If hireing Americans or documented workers with benefits and insurance raises the price of beef or strawberries to much then ohh well I guess American wont have beef or strawberries’ (insert any product here, oranges, chickens whatever). Do it legit and people will pay or not. If they do not buy your products YOU DONT HAVE A BUSIESS YOU FAWKING TRAITORS!!

*sorry for this being so long this is something I am very passionate about*

[Stan]